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1*44245SbosticFrom: James A. Woods <jaw@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
2*44245Sbostic
3*44245Sbostic>From vn Fri Dec  2 18:05:27 1988
4*44245SbosticSubject: Re: Looking for C source for RSA
5*44245SbosticNewsgroups: sci.crypt
6*44245Sbostic
7*44245Sbostic# Illegitimi noncarborundum
8*44245Sbostic
9*44245SbosticPatents are a tar pit.
10*44245Sbostic
11*44245SbosticA good case can be made that most are just a license to sue, and nothing
12*44245Sbosticis illegal until a patent is upheld in court.
13*44245Sbostic
14*44245SbosticFor example, if you receive netnews by means other than 'nntp',
15*44245Sbosticthese very words are being modulated by 'compress',
16*44245Sbostica variation on the patented Lempel-Ziv-Welch algorithm.
17*44245Sbostic
18*44245SbosticOriginal Ziv-Lempel is patent number 4,464,650, and the more powerful
19*44245SbosticLZW method is #4,558,302.  Yet despite any similarities between 'compress'
20*44245Sbosticand LZW (the public-domain 'compress' code was designed and given to the
21*44245Sbosticworld before the ink on the Welch patent was dry), no attorneys from Sperry
22*44245Sbostic(the assignee) have asked you to unplug your Usenet connection.
23*44245Sbostic
24*44245SbosticWhy?  I can't speak for them, but it is possible the claims are too broad,
25*44245Sbosticor, just as bad, not broad enough.  ('compress' does things not mentioned
26*44245Sbosticin the Welch patent.)  Maybe they realize that they can commercialize
27*44245SbosticLZW better by selling hardware implementations rather than by licensing
28*44245Sbosticsoftware.  Again, the LZW software delineated in the patent is *not*
29*44245Sbosticthe same as that of 'compress'.
30*44245Sbostic
31*44245SbosticAt any rate, court-tested software patents are a different animal;
32*44245Sbosticcorporate patents in a portfolio are usually traded like baseball cards
33*44245Sbosticto shut out small fry rather than actually be defended before
34*44245Sbosticnon-technical juries.  Perhaps RSA will undergo this test successfully,
35*44245Sbosticalthough the grant to "exclude others from making, using, or selling"
36*44245Sbosticthe invention would then only apply to the U.S. (witness the
37*44245SbosticGenentech patent of the TPA molecule in the U.S. but struck down
38*44245Sbosticin Great Britain as too broad.)
39*44245Sbostic
40*44245SbosticThe concept is still exotic for those who learned in school the rule of thumb
41*44245Sbosticthat one may patent "apparatus" but not an "idea".
42*44245SbosticApparently this all changed in Diamond v. Diehr (1981) when the U. S. Supreme
43*44245SbosticCourt reversed itself.
44*44245Sbostic
45*44245SbosticScholars should consult the excellent article in the Washington and Lee
46*44245SbosticLaw Review (fall 1984, vol. 41, no. 4) by Anthony and Colwell for a
47*44245Sbosticcomprehensive survey of an area which will remain murky for some time.
48*44245Sbostic
49*44245SbosticUntil the dust clears, how you approach ideas which are patented depends
50*44245Sbosticon how paranoid you are of a legal onslaught.  Arbitrary?  Yes.  But
51*44245Sbosticthe patent bar the the CCPA (Court of Customs and Patent Appeals)
52*44245Sbosticthanks you for any uncertainty as they, at least, stand to gain
53*44245Sbosticfrom any trouble.
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56*44245SbosticFrom: James A. Woods <jaw@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
57*44245SbosticSubject: Re: Looking for C source for RSA (actually 'compress' patents)
58*44245Sbostic
59*44245Sbostic	In article <2042@eos.UUCP> you write:
60*44245Sbostic	>The concept is still exotic for those who learned in school the rule of thumb
61*44245Sbostic	>that one may patent "apparatus" but not an "idea".
62*44245Sbostic
63*44245SbosticA rule of thumb that has never been completely valid, as any chemical
64*44245Sbosticengineer can tell you.  (Chemical processes were among the earliest patents,
65*44245Sbosticas I recall.)
66*44245Sbostic
67*44245Sbostic	ah yes -- i date myself when relaying out-of-date advice from elderly
68*44245Sbostic	attorneys who don't even specialize in patents.  one other interesting
69*44245Sbostic	class of patents include the output of optical lens design programs,
70*44245Sbostic	which yield formulae which can then fairly directly can be molded
71*44245Sbostic	into glass.  although there are restrictions on patenting equations,
72*44245Sbostic	the "embedded systems" seem to fly past the legal gauntlets.
73*44245Sbostic
74*44245Sbostic	anyway, i'm still learning about intellectual property law after
75*44245Sbostic	several conversations from a unisys (nee sperry) lawyer re 'compress'.
76*44245Sbostic
77*44245Sbostic	it's more complicated than this, but they're letting (oral
78*44245Sbostic	communication only) software versions of 'compress' slide
79*44245Sbostic	as far as licensing fees go.  this includes 'arc', 'stuffit',
80*44245Sbostic	and other commercial wrappers for 'compress'.  yet they are
81*44245Sbostic	signing up licensees for hardware chips.  hewlett-packard
82*44245Sbostic	supposedly has an active vlsi project, and unisys has
83*44245Sbostic	board-level lzw-based tape controllers.  (to build lzw into
84*44245Sbostic	a disk controller would be strange, as you'd have to build
85*44245Sbostic	in a filesystem too!)
86*44245Sbostic
87*44245Sbostic 	it's byzantine
88*44245Sbostic	that unisys is in a tiff with hp regarding the patents,
89*44245Sbostic	after discovering some sort of "compress" button on some
90*44245Sbostic	hp terminal product.  why?  well, professor abraham lempel jumped
91*44245Sbostic	from being department chairman of computer science at technion in
92*44245Sbostic	israel to sperry (where he got the first patent), but then to work
93*44245Sbostic	at hewlett-packard on sabbatical.  the second welch patent
94*44245Sbostic	is only weakly derivative of the first, so they want chip
95*44245Sbostic	licenses and hp relented.  however, everyone agrees something
96*44245Sbostic	like the current unix implementation is the way to go with
97*44245Sbostic	software, so hp (and ucb) long ago asked spencer thomas and i to sign
98*44245Sbostic	off on copyright permission (although they didn't need to, it being pd).
99*44245Sbostic	lempel, hp, and unisys grumbles they can't make money off the
100*44245Sbostic	software since a good free implementation (not the best --
101*44245Sbostic	i have more ideas!) escaped via usenet.  (lempel's own pascal
102*44245Sbostic	code was apparently horribly slow.)
103*44245Sbostic	i don't follow the ibm 'arc' legal bickering; my impression
104*44245Sbostic	is that the pc folks are making money off the archiver/wrapper
105*44245Sbostic	look/feel of the thing [if ms-dos can be said to have a look and feel].
106*44245Sbostic
107*44245Sbostic	now where is telebit with the compress firmware?  in a limbo
108*44245Sbostic	netherworld, probably, with sperry still welcoming outfits
109*44245Sbostic	to sign patent licenses, a common tactic to bring other small fry
110*44245Sbostic	into the fold.  the guy who crammed 12-bit compess into the modem
111*44245Sbostic	there left.  also what is transpiring with 'compress' and sys 5 rel 4?
112*44245Sbostic	beats me, but if sperry got a hold of them on these issues,
113*44245Sbostic	at&t would likely re-implement another algorithm if they
114*44245Sbostic	thought 'compress' infringes.  needful to say, i don't think
115*44245Sbostic	it does after the abovementioned legal conversation.
116*44245Sbostic	my own beliefs on whether algorithms should be patentable at all
117*44245Sbostic	change with the weather.  if the courts finally nail down
118*44245Sbostic	patent protection for algorithms, academic publication in
119*44245Sbostic	textbooks will be somewhat at odds with the engineering world,
120*44245Sbostic	where the textbook codes will simply be a big tease to get
121*44245Sbostic	money into the patent holder coffers...
122*44245Sbostic
123*44245Sbostic	oh, if you implement lzw from the patent, you won't get
124*44245Sbostic	good rates because it doesn't mention adaptive table reset,
125*44245Sbostic	lack thereof being *the* serious deficiency of thomas' first version.
126*44245Sbostic
127*44245Sbostic	now i know that patent law generally protects against independent
128*44245Sbostic	re-invention (like the 'xor' hash function pleasantly mentioned
129*44245Sbostic	in the patent [but not the paper]).
130*44245Sbostic	but the upshot is that if anyone ever wanted to sue us,
131*44245Sbostic	we're partially covered with
132*44245Sbostic	independently-developed twists, plus the fact that some of us work
133*44245Sbostic	in a bureacratic morass (as contractor to a public agency in my case).
134*44245Sbostic
135*44245Sbostic	quite a mess, huh?  i've wanted to tell someone this stuff
136*44245Sbostic	for a long time, for posterity if nothing else.
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138*44245Sbosticjames
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